The Gift of Tongues (Sole Proof of Salvation?)

Re: The Gift of Tongues (Sole Proof of Salvation?)

feeds@kickapps.com (lori) — Sat, 22 Nov 2008 20:53:16 PST

The issue of tongues does have the capability of dividing the body of christians who do believe the Bible, not to mention those who "call" themselves Christians who do NOT believe the Bible.

Let's just try to look at this issue with a little bit of ALL of scripture. First of all, what did Paul say about the REASON for tongues? Look at 1 Cor 14:22 "So then tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers;". This thought continues into verse 23 where Paul states "Therefore if the whole church assembles together and all speak in tongues, and ungifted men or unbelievers enter, will they not say that you are mad?" This is the largest error I find in most Pentecostal churches. They use "tongues" as a sign of the baptism of the Holy Spirit, but then use the "gift" in an error which goes AGAINST WHAT THE BIBLE TEACHES! At no point in time is the entire church supposed to be speaking in tongues, yet in EVERY...

Re: The Gift of Tongues (Sole Proof of Salvation?)

feeds@kickapps.com (David) — Sat, 22 Nov 2008 14:30:58 PST

Wow, LOL... I had no idea this topic would get so hot. Thanks for all the replies. I know it's getting late so I'm going to go do today's devotion.

Re: The Gift of Tongues (Sole Proof of Salvation?)

feeds@kickapps.com (bold22) — Sat, 22 Nov 2008 12:48:22 PST

in no case do i beleive that tongues are for salvation neither does the church i bleong to beleive that we do beleive that it is a gift that comes after one gets saved and receives THE BAPTISUM OF THE HOLY GHOST which is a different deminsion ( i guess that is what one would call it ) of the working OF THE SPIRIT OF GOD

Re: The Gift of Tongues (Sole Proof of Salvation?)

feeds@kickapps.com (garee) — Sat, 22 Nov 2008 10:59:54 PST

According to my opinion, knowing that tongues is a direct revelation from God and God, I believe, is no longer brining new revelations today… as during the 400 year silent period between the Old and New Testament. I would not personally trust in the theory that tongues are for today, I believe they ceased ,when all manners of new revelations ceased ,as of the last revelation given to John .

Re: The Gift of Tongues (Sole Proof of Salvation?)

feeds@kickapps.com (Dave Munson) — Sat, 22 Nov 2008 10:11:18 PST

I understand your position Bold,
I just do not agree 100 percent with all of it.

I do not doubt that someone who is a believer and hasn't ever spoken in tongues is not filled with the Spirit.
Every good gift is from God whether tongues is part of that or not and the empowerment is from the Holy Spirit and needs no evidence by any particular language.

I do not deny tongues as a legitimate gift.
I just do not place it in high regard.

Re: The Gift of Tongues (Sole Proof of Salvation?)

feeds@kickapps.com (bold22) — Sat, 22 Nov 2008 08:32:27 PST

mr munson... in all places where THE GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST WAS GIVEN THERE WERE TONGUES AND PROPHRECY , IN THE ONE OR TWO PLCES WHERE IT IS NOT SAID TONGUES IT IS SHOWN THAT SOMTHING MIRACULOS HAPPENED. NOW i know that i received THE HOLY GHOST WHEN i was saved but THE BAPTISIM IS A DIFFERENT THING AS the pentecostals SEE HIM and THAT is what i am referring too

Re: The Gift of Tongues (Sole Proof of Salvation?)

feeds@kickapps.com (Dave Munson) — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 19:40:21 PST

Referring back to the title of this thread Gift of tongues sole proof of salvation I would have to say that a changed life is a form of proof.

The day of Pentecost in the book of Acts was the advent of the age of grace.
No longer was the Spirit to dwell in the temple in Jerusalem but the people where to be the temple from there on.
Before this the Spirit "fell upon" a believer as we see in the books of the prophets and much of the Old Testament but now He indwells each believer empowering them to walk in the Spirit and not fulfill the lusts of the flesh.
He enables us to overcome.

Re: The Gift of Tongues (Sole Proof of Salvation?)

feeds@kickapps.com (lori) — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 18:03:34 PST

Okay, let's calm down a little. A lot of damage has been done by division over this issue.

First, I will say that it is absolutely FALSE that you have to speak in tongues to be saved. You don't have to speak in tongues to be filled with the Holy Spirit either.

Now, having said that, there are several scriptures that indicate that when new christians were filled with the Holy Spirit, that they spoke in tongues. Start with Mark 16:17 "These signs will accompany those who have believed: in My name they will cast out demons, they will speak with new tongues;". It is just one possible sign. Then go to Acts 2:4 "They were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance." Now, go to Acts 10:45-46 "All the circumcised believers who came with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also. For they were hearing them speaking with...

Re: The Gift of Tongues (Sole Proof of Salvation?)

feeds@kickapps.com (Dave Munson) — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:25:31 PST

Bold I would ask of you this one thing.

Show me by scripture where it says that "the evidence of being filled with the Spirit is tongues"?

I will show you that it is "love".

Re: The Gift of Tongues (Sole Proof of Salvation?)

feeds@kickapps.com (Gilbert) — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:47:32 PST

It's ridiculous to say that everyone must have the gift of tongues to be saved. Its almost contradictory to our teachings. Most people do not have this gift. The purpose of people who do have this gift is to interpret the message to people who don't.

Re: The Gift of Tongues (Sole Proof of Salvation?)

feeds@kickapps.com (bold22) — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:40:35 PST

mr munson i beleive as a pentecostal that the evidence of the infilling OF THE HOLY GHOST is tongues. i do not beleive that you have to speak in tongues in order to be saved
also when one speaks in tongues it should always be BY THE MOVING OF THE HOLY GHOST AND NOT just gibbering away. that is one reason that pentecostal are talked about because we have some that get fanatical and do things that are out of line with GODS WORD THE BIBLE

Re: The Gift of Tongues (Sole Proof of Salvation?)

feeds@kickapps.com (Dave Munson) — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:54:44 PST

I really better be short on this one as this subject has got me riled up more than once.

I have heard so many times the false doctrine espoused that if you do not speak in tongues then you are not filled with the Holy Spirit.(evidence)
Such unbiblical nonsense is intolerable as it enslaves others to someones own personal misinterpretation of the truth.

The gifts are meant to be used in harmony with each other and tongues is the least of these gifts but many in their desire for "excitement and thrills" have elevated it to almost God status.
It is used by many as a standard of measuring the Spirituality of others with a touch of arrogance and elitism attached and it sickens me to see such.

1 Corinthians 14:27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.
:28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to...

The Gift of Tongues (Sole Proof of Salvation?)

feeds@kickapps.com (David) — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:25:14 PST

"For the body is not one member, but many. If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling?" 1 Corinthians 12:14-17 (KJV)

You know what I'm tired of? I'm tired of people feeling condemned because someone tells them, "You can't be saved without the gift of tongues." While the gift of tongues is a great gift, it is not the only gift! To emphasize on this single gift as the sole means of proof of salvation is like saying the other gifts of the Holy Spirit are not as important. Not everyone will receive the same gifts of the Spirit. If everyone in the body of Christ had the same functions, then how would the body operate properly? If everyone is a mouth then who is carrying all...