Statement of Faith

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feeds@kickapps.com (eddie) — Wed, 02 Dec 2009 08:44:19 PST

yes but cant this also apply to the christian church who it seems are so divided and some seem to be dead? wont GOD revive us again

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feeds@kickapps.com (William of Pompano) — Sun, 18 Oct 2009 06:52:00 PST

In the Old Testament, when the resting place of the dead is mentioned, people are always "going down" or "descending" into Sheol which is the resting place of the dead.

That is my understanding, too, Lori. Here is an interesting promise made to the ancient people called *Isrealites*:

Then He said to me, "Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel; behold, they say, 'Our bones are dried up and our hope has perished. We are completely cut off.' "Therefore prophesy and say to them, 'Thus says the Lord GOD, "Behold, I will open your graves and cause you to come up out of your graves, My people; and I...

Re: Statement of Faith

feeds@kickapps.com (eddie) — Fri, 04 Sep 2009 07:01:13 PST

desended into hell i think means when CHRIST WENT AND LED THE CAPTIVE S THAT WERE IN PARIDISE AND THEN HE WENT INTO hell to show the ones there that HE REALLY WAS AND IS AND DID ARISE AND THAT HE CAME BACK FOR HIS OWN AND WOULD COME AGIN

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feeds@kickapps.com (eddie) — Sat, 20 Jun 2009 06:04:40 PST

i beleive that all our statements of fatih should be of GOD only

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feeds@kickapps.com (lori) — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 10:18:31 PST

I don't criticize the Bible just because I don't understand it. What I don't understand, I try to research, and if I still don't understand it, I work on accepting it on faith. That is all that we have, faith.

As I stated, the concept of the divided Sheol isn't SCRIPTURAL (other than this one parable), it is cultural, and without an understanding of Jewish culture, there are many things in scripture it is difficult for most people to understand. Being that I am a Jewish believer in Jesus, I have some insight that most non-Jews don't have. When I can explain, I do. But there are still things in scripture that I don't understand. Those things, I accept by faith as truth.

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feeds@kickapps.com (ChuckT) — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 19:10:25 PST

But the name of that is Abraham's bosom. I think names need to be clarified.

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feeds@kickapps.com (lori) — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 18:39:55 PST

The statement "descended into hell" is a truth which is sometimes hard to understand because of translation difficulties. In the Old Testament, when the resting place of the dead is mentioned, people are always "going down" or "descending" into Sheol which is the resting place of the dead. In non-scriptural Jewish literature, "Sheol" has two "compartments" - paradise (the resting place of the righteous dead, and gehenna (the resting place of the wicked). In Greek thought, there is no distinction between the resting place of the righteous and the unrighteous, so the word used is usually gehenna, usually translated as hell. Read Luke 16 for Jesus' parable of the rich man and Lazarus. When Jesus told the thief on the cross "Today thou shalt be with me in Paradise", he was referring to the Jewish concept which was generally accepted in Jesus' day.

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feeds@kickapps.com (ChuckT) — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:46:14 PST

I question the "Descended Into Hell" part as it wasn't in the original Apostle's creed but was added later on.

John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

If Jesus went to suffer in hell then it wasn't finished.

Luke 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

Hell isn't opened up until Revelation 19 and 20.

I'm not denying the existence of hell because I believe in it.

Psalm 22:12 Many bulls have compassed me: strong [bulls] of Bashan have beset me round.

I'm not sure what this verse is about but I have to examine all possibilities as my pastor gives hints.

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feeds@kickapps.com (bold22) — Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:23:02 PST

just want to say that i enjoy every thread on this site it is always so up lifting i pray i never do nuthing as the old saying goes to destroy that

Re: Statement of Faith

feeds@kickapps.com (lori) — Sat, 22 Nov 2008 20:22:30 PST

Actually, there is nothing wrong with our statement of faith. It just wasn't written by Rich Mullins.

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feeds@kickapps.com (David) — Sat, 22 Nov 2008 20:10:03 PST

Yeah, it's probably not enough of a statement. Know a place where I can plagarize a good one? I mean see a good example?

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feeds@kickapps.com (lori) — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:50:10 PST

Hate to burst your bubble, but the "song" by Rich Mullins is primarily based on "The Apostle's Creed" (hence, the name of the song is Creed) which states:

I believe in God the Father, Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth:
And in Jesus Christ, his only begotten Son, our Lord:
Who was conceived by the Holy Ghost, born of the Virgin Mary:
Suffered under Pontius Pilate; was crucified, dead and buried: He descended into hell:
The third day he rose again from the dead:
He ascended into heaven, and sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty:
From thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead:
I believe in the Holy Ghost:
I believe in the holy catholic church: the communion of saints:
The forgiveness of sins:
The resurrection of the body:
And the life everlasting. Amen.

In this passage, the word catholic merely means "united", not as in the Roman Catholic Church. The...

Statement of Faith

feeds@kickapps.com (David) — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 02:33:01 PST

For our statement of faith, I'll simply post the lyrics to one of my favorite songs: Creed by Rich Mullins.

I believe in God the Father almighty
Maker of Heaven and Maker of Earth
And in Jesus Christ
His only begotten Son, our Lord
He was conceived by the Holy Spirit
Born of the virgin Mary
Suffered under Pontius Pilate
He was crucified and dead and buried

CHORUS:
And I believe what I believe
Is what makes me what I am
I did not make it, no it is making me
It is the very truth of God and not
The invention of any man

I believe that He who suffered
Was crucified, buried, and dead
He descended into hell and
On the third day, rose again
He ascended into Heaven where
He sits at God's mighty right hand...